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	<title>Comments on: Voltaire and Free Wi-Fi</title>
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		<title>By: Sooz</title>
		<link>http://www.sooz.com/2005/05/27/voltaire-and-free-wi-fi/comment-page-1/#comment-1248</link>
		<dc:creator>Sooz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 23:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my experience I&#039;ve found my computer to be an excuse to talk to someone sitting near me.  A couple months ago I gave my old Linksys Wi-Fi card to someone who didn&#039;t have one.  I didn&#039;t need it anymore since I switched to a Mac last year.  So, we&#039;re trying to get the card set up and had problems.  Someone sitting near us noticed we were having problems and offered to help and resolved the problem in a couple minutes.  

Today while I was at True Grounds in my neighorhood (they offer free/comp Wi-Fi), two people sitting next to me asked if I&#039;d watch their computers while they went outside to smoke.  They don&#039;t know me so who is to say I couldn&#039;t have wandered off with their computer myself? I joked with them that since they&#039;ve got computers running Windows there was little chance I&#039;d try to run off with them.  

I have no problem with a cafe doing whatever it is they want to do. It&#039;s their business afterall.  I just think there&#039;s more to the story than &quot;coffee shop turns off Wi-Fi on weekend and business goes up.&quot;  

In the article at Wi-Fi Networking News about the coffee shop in Seattle, the co-owner said that many of these patrons will camp six to eight hoursâ€”and not buy anything.

I&#039;d love to know what kind of laptops these people are using that will run up to eight hours on one battery pack.  Why are people who aren&#039;t buying anything being provided electricity, too?  If I saw someone doing that at True Grounds I&#039;d probably be tempted to ask them myself what&#039;s up.  That&#039;s not a Wi-Fi issue, that&#039;s a rude person issue.  

You mention in your comment above that more can be said but this is a comment space.  There&#039;s no word count restriction here so feel free to write as much as you want.  Or write about it on your blog and I&#039;d be happy to link back.  Hey, that&#039;s discourse. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my experience I&#8217;ve found my computer to be an excuse to talk to someone sitting near me.  A couple months ago I gave my old Linksys Wi-Fi card to someone who didn&#8217;t have one.  I didn&#8217;t need it anymore since I switched to a Mac last year.  So, we&#8217;re trying to get the card set up and had problems.  Someone sitting near us noticed we were having problems and offered to help and resolved the problem in a couple minutes.  </p>
<p>Today while I was at True Grounds in my neighorhood (they offer free/comp Wi-Fi), two people sitting next to me asked if I&#8217;d watch their computers while they went outside to smoke.  They don&#8217;t know me so who is to say I couldn&#8217;t have wandered off with their computer myself? I joked with them that since they&#8217;ve got computers running Windows there was little chance I&#8217;d try to run off with them.  </p>
<p>I have no problem with a cafe doing whatever it is they want to do. It&#8217;s their business afterall.  I just think there&#8217;s more to the story than &#8220;coffee shop turns off Wi-Fi on weekend and business goes up.&#8221;  </p>
<p>In the article at Wi-Fi Networking News about the coffee shop in Seattle, the co-owner said that many of these patrons will camp six to eight hoursâ€”and not buy anything.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to know what kind of laptops these people are using that will run up to eight hours on one battery pack.  Why are people who aren&#8217;t buying anything being provided electricity, too?  If I saw someone doing that at True Grounds I&#8217;d probably be tempted to ask them myself what&#8217;s up.  That&#8217;s not a Wi-Fi issue, that&#8217;s a rude person issue.  </p>
<p>You mention in your comment above that more can be said but this is a comment space.  There&#8217;s no word count restriction here so feel free to write as much as you want.  Or write about it on your blog and I&#8217;d be happy to link back.  Hey, that&#8217;s discourse. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Barac</title>
		<link>http://www.sooz.com/2005/05/27/voltaire-and-free-wi-fi/comment-page-1/#comment-1247</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Barac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 20:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I agree absolutely, very good point Sooz.

My poll is aimed purely at one aspect of the reasoning given for shutting down the connection over the weekend.

Being a geek and a cafe lover, I find that I am torn between what I love most about the cafe culture (noisy rooms filled with fervent conversation that one can engage in or be lost in) and what I expect living in the modern world (wifi, cool music, pleasing decor etc).

I think that there is also the issue of lack of appreciation for a service as soon as it&#039;s free, and dealing with irate wifi users is one of the reasons cited for the shut-down. Demand for wifi has forced many cafes to try to keep up with their competition through the introduction of new services, but the staff are not trained to cope with the demands of operating a network as well as producing good coffee.

Much more can be said about this, but alas this is a comment space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I agree absolutely, very good point Sooz.</p>
<p>My poll is aimed purely at one aspect of the reasoning given for shutting down the connection over the weekend.</p>
<p>Being a geek and a cafe lover, I find that I am torn between what I love most about the cafe culture (noisy rooms filled with fervent conversation that one can engage in or be lost in) and what I expect living in the modern world (wifi, cool music, pleasing decor etc).</p>
<p>I think that there is also the issue of lack of appreciation for a service as soon as it&#8217;s free, and dealing with irate wifi users is one of the reasons cited for the shut-down. Demand for wifi has forced many cafes to try to keep up with their competition through the introduction of new services, but the staff are not trained to cope with the demands of operating a network as well as producing good coffee.</p>
<p>Much more can be said about this, but alas this is a comment space.</p>
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		<title>By: Sooz</title>
		<link>http://www.sooz.com/2005/05/27/voltaire-and-free-wi-fi/comment-page-1/#comment-1246</link>
		<dc:creator>Sooz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 20:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Rob:

Thanks for the pointer to your poll.

But isn&#039;t it a bit more than &quot;has Wi-Fi ruined cafe atmosphere&quot;?  Shouldn&#039;t more establishments have public/open Wi-Fi and shouldn&#039;t users (and venues) of Wi-Fi at these venues have a better understanding of etiquette?  

From my view, we have a responsibility to not spread or encourage misinformation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Rob:</p>
<p>Thanks for the pointer to your poll.</p>
<p>But isn&#8217;t it a bit more than &#8220;has Wi-Fi ruined cafe atmosphere&#8221;?  Shouldn&#8217;t more establishments have public/open Wi-Fi and shouldn&#8217;t users (and venues) of Wi-Fi at these venues have a better understanding of etiquette?  </p>
<p>From my view, we have a responsibility to not spread or encourage misinformation.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Barac</title>
		<link>http://www.sooz.com/2005/05/27/voltaire-and-free-wi-fi/comment-page-1/#comment-1245</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Barac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 19:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sooz,

Yes intelligent discourse can be a tad hard to find sometimes.

You might be interested in knowing that I&#039;ve just put up a poll on my other site (www.cafegeek.com) where I ask

&quot;Do you think WiFi has ruined cafe atmosphere?&quot;

Judging by the 2 votes I have so far it&#039;s a 50/50 split...   =8P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sooz,</p>
<p>Yes intelligent discourse can be a tad hard to find sometimes.</p>
<p>You might be interested in knowing that I&#8217;ve just put up a poll on my other site (www.cafegeek.com) where I ask</p>
<p>&#8220;Do you think WiFi has ruined cafe atmosphere?&#8221;</p>
<p>Judging by the 2 votes I have so far it&#8217;s a 50/50 split&#8230;   =8P</p>
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